Sunday, January 8, 2012

Gone with the wind

We have been having a variety of weather lately and can finally start to see how our 500 watt wind turbine can perform.  In a word-poorly. Now I can not comment on all wind turbines, just this one. We have been in contact with the company many times to try to solve some real issues with this type of technology. We have had to come up with solutions on our own. Very disheartening.

First let me start by saying, if your thinking about adding wind power to your homestead, you really have to be sure you live in an area with SUSTAINED winds. Yes our area is windy, but now I see that periods of sustained winds are not as numerous as I thought. If you want to put your turbine on a 100 foot tower, that would solve that problem since most wind at that level is sustained. But many municipalities to do permit 100 foot towers and a small turbine like this one would not be able to withstand the constant wind streams at 100 feet and be worked to pieces. Plus if your installing it yourself, erecting a 100 foot tower would be an extremely dangerous operation. This turbine is recommended to be mounted on a 30 foot tower, but most winds at the 30 foot level are far to choppy for steady power production. They don't tell you that in the small print when you purchase one and as I research this topic I am finding many dissatisfied customers.
The turbine may be spinning constantly, but it must produce over 24 volts to be able to begin to charge our batteries (which are configured into a 24 volt bank).  This is not as often as one may think.  Even here it is only producing 22 volts and it is spinning its tail off.  When it is finally  producing 24 volts it only amps out at 1.9 amps or 46 watts. No big power producer.
Now here was the most disturbing problem we encountered. Electricity is not something that only flows one way. If the turbine is not producing any power at any particular time, it is not only NOT adding power to our system, but it can be leaching power FROM the batteries back out to the turbine. When we first hooked it up we noticed the batteries quickly draining. Our charge controller for the solar panels has a built in blocking diode, but the turbine feeds to its own little charge controller (which really is not a charge controller like one may think, but a load diverter for when it produces more power than the batteries can take and it must divert that power load to something else or it could fry the batteries). So when we brought this up to the manufacturer they acted like they had no idea what we were talking about and felt that the solar array would be the culprit of the power back feed. We explained that was impossible since it has it's own blocking diode . So we bought a blocking diode and installed it on the turbine side. And it solved that problem. Think of it as a stop valve for electricity. So much for the manufacturer knowing their product.
Luckily for us, the wind turbine came with some of the solar panels when we purchased them from an individual selling the system. If we had bought this turbine outright, we would be very disappointed. But since we owned it anyway, having it hooked up doesn't hurt. But it does not supply us with enough power to recommend it either. The little power it does produce is just icing on the cake for us and we gained a lot of knowledge on small scale wind systems that we otherwise would not have known. If we found a larger wind system for a really great deal, it may be tempting to find out if it would be more efficient. But even in our area that is rated as one of the worst for solar power due to the amount of cloudy days per year, we would still invest in a larger solar array first. Solar is such a smooth  power system and is far more controllable that wind. But that is homesteading, a constant learning curve.

21 comments:

  1. I'm sorry to hear that. There is nothing more disappointing than investing in a system that doesn't work. I'm glad your solar array makes up for it.

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  2. Thank you for sharing your honest results. So many people think you just pop one of these systems up and you're rolling free electricity - it just isn't so. I worked in renewables for years, and I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly. This article sites exactly why I don't have a wind turbine installed, even though we live in a windy area. (People ask me that all the time, since we have passive and active solar already.)

    One note - small typo in your second line - "preform".

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  3. We seriously considered wind power but never took the plunge because of knowing folks who did in our area. The experience has been just what you described with possibly even more disappointment when the turbine is installed on a 100 ft. tower. (Nearly impossible to do any repairs of which there are many.) We know of three families who have invested way too much money and had nothing but problems despite what they were told by the company from which they purchased their wind generators. The worst situation is a family that invested more than $20,000 in their system which has been given up as a lost cause for two years now. Frequent broken parts, no support from company, and the problems with lack of sustained winds as you've noticed.

    Really sorry it didn't work out better for you, Jane. Sure appreciate your honesty.

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  4. It's always interesting to hear BOTH sides of the story. Sorry it isn't working the way you had hoped, but it is great that you're letting people know the facts so they can make better decisions.

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  5. Sometimes things are too good to be true. Thanks for the honest opinion.

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  6. Ohhh, interesting! A few years ago we looked into getting a wind turbine, and then decided we'd better invest in education of our kids and put the turbine off for about 5 years or so. Glad to know the consumer point of view, in addition to the sales pitch. Sorry it isn't working out for you like you had hoped.
    ~~Lori

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  7. As usual, a very interesting and informative post Jane. Like everyone else, we thought about wind as well, especially since our springtime is very windy. Then somewhere I found a wind chart online, that listed us in the lowest wind category for that kind of power. Very disappointing, but at least we didn't make a big investment in it first. I didn't know about the blocking diodes, another good tidbit of information.

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  8. I don't use wind power,but have wondered about it. I appreciate hearing abt your experience with it and your honesty,might save someone from making a costly mistake. Blessings Jane

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  9. We have also researched wind power but have too many trees that would interrupt the flow. Living in the midwest, we have clouds most of the time, but for some reason our solar power gate opener, that we use all the time, works great even on the darkest days of winter. I also like the fuss free nature of solar power. The other option we are interested in is geothermal. Once it's installed it's basically maintenance free. Thanks for posting your wind turbine experience.

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  10. I've heard similar stories from others with wind turbines - it's so disappointing. It's either that winds aren't sustained or that winds become too fierce and either rip the turbine to pieces if it isn't switched off. Hopefully you'll be able to work through your own challenges though!

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  11. Jocelyn, luckily we dont have very much invested in the turbine. The biggest expense was the wire, which can be used when/if we acquire more panels. So no big loss, thankfully.

    Laurie, Thanks, I have had a hard time finding anyone that was happy with their wind systems at any price level. And thanks for the heads up about the typo, I ofter type more than I read ;)

    Mama Pea, I remembered you saying that, and now I can really see where so many people have had issues with them. With the exception of wind farms, home wind use may not be the best use of our (the public's) dollars for alternate energy.

    Sue, I hope that others really do research what they are buying before jumping in. It would be a costly mistake

    Tombstone, Very true.

    Lori, you made a very wise choice. I would heavily consider some other type of alternate energy before wind.

    Leigh, I am sometimes weary of those 'charts' since they would have advised us against solar. But in this case it may have saved you quite a bit. Live and learn I guess.

    Jane, it could be very costly for some, especially if you had to pay someone to install it.

    Sue, If the sun comes up in the morning-which it always does-, you are going to get some solar gain. It really is a great system and the advanced technology is really evident in the new solar inverters and charge controllers. Wind just doesnt have that on its side.

    Tanya, I can really see now how some turbines could be blown to shreds. And what scares me is that they are coming out with cheaper turbines that are built very poorly. Some consumers are going to suffer a great loss to find out the hard way. So sad.

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  12. I have been thinking of a small wind turbine up at my cabin to suppliment the solar...thank you for posting...I will do a bit more research before investing any money.

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  13. Thanks! I had been looking at a property with a wind turbine, plus solar panels (in sunny Colorado) and it looked like a good combo.

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  14. lynda, good idea, the more research the better :)

    Laura, you can always ask to review the system before you buy and go equipped with an amp meter and see for yourself how much it produces. That way you will know for yourself

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  15. So sorry it hasn't met your expectations. It's gotta be such a disappointment. Hang in there, Jane.

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  16. "Frankly my dear,I don't give a damn"--Rhett Butler,not me,I care ,I care.It all sounds pretty complicated,but if anyone can do it you can!

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  17. wind power is not viable for this region and i work for an engineering firm - we're finding that wind energy companies are shutting down in america as quickly as they were springing up a couple years ago. it's just not financially viable.

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  18. So sorry Jane you have had such trouble with this and so greatful for your warning all of us. I am guessing not so many Hard Work Homestead type blogs around when you started your journey? Anyway all your trouble to post, once again appreciated

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  19. Grrr. Glad you got some solar panels out of the same purchase. Yikes. We lived in Palm Springs for 10 year. The whole pass north of us going into the LA area is covered with HUGE wind turbines lining the floor of the pass and up the walls/hills of the pass in also into North Palm Springs (we lived on the north side of town.) Boy, did we have winds at our house. They would have ripped your little turbine to shreds.

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  20. Daisy, we are not disappointed. We feel we learned far to much for it to be a loss.

    Judy, It really is not as complicated as it seems:)

    Rick, I think the problem on a small scale is just that the technology is not there that is in other alternative systems. But large scale wind farms are a whole other story. They function well. Just remember that there are far less ways to pad politicians pockets with a wind farm. That is why this horrible gas drilling is doing so well.

    Donna, a lot of people have invested quite a bit into purchasing these systems and are not as free with the information since no one wants to admit to such a costly foley. And any installation company is going to blow lots of smoke up your...well you know. It is just hard to find unbiased opinions sometime.

    Emily, those large wind farms are spectacular. And much different technology than a small system, hence that is why they work ;) Maybe someday the technology will be there.

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  21. Hi, Every endeavor is a learning experience and each time we go down a road we learn something from it. You are one of three people we have heard similar stories from. The other folks we know have completely shut down their small turbines. They were simply too much trouble and didn't meet expectations.

    I am so shocked by the person who thinks that large scale wind works!! My husband and I have done a ton of research on wind energy of the large scale. We began when we learned that our county was considering letting a wind farm be built on the ridges just behind our beautiful scenic farm. When we learned about industrial wind and the fraud that is perpetrated on the public by these so-called energy facilities, we fought it for over 3 years. Of course, they have all the money in the world and now we have our beautiful farm up for sale. We will not live in the shadow of such corruption. Not many people know about wind energy -- what a pity. If they did they would understand that the technology is simply not there. We have friends whose nephew works on a large scale wind farm and he tells them that they are always breaking down AND that they use more energy than they produce. Large scale wind just doesn't pencil out. YET, our government continues to give big subsidies to front industrial wind turbine farms, raping the landscape and fleecing the population, who in their utter ignorance, gleefully think that the wind is FREE. It is only when they get those HUGE electric bills that they will realize that they have been duped.

    IF industrial large scale wind REALLY worked, private investors would be beating down the doors of the developers to plop down their dollars and they would not need FEDERAL funding and huge tax breaks to finance them. I think someone needs to do more research. Carolyn

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